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    Topic:   Road map for kiwitrees  

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    • #2174
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      I have some ideas for future changes and additions to kiwitrees. I have listed them at https://kiwitrees.net/?p=2156

      Please read them, and add your thoughts and ideas here for further discussion.

      I am very open to any other ideas you have, though I must warn that I have limited time and abilities 🙂

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

      #2258
      Roy
      Roy
      Participant

      108 posts

      Nigel:

      Thanks for your efforts at improving this software. It is most appreciated. Here are my initial thoughts about yur proposed road map.

      Short term
      Stories Module – proposed changes would make the module more useful, especially linking a story to more than one individual – great idea!
      CKEditor – sounds good to me.
      Redesign family page layout – I would need to see an example before rendering an opinion.
      Move more add-ons into core code – makes sense to me. Simplifies updating installations.
      Album tab – Not a big need for me, but I can see that it would be a good idea.

      Medium term
      Import / upload option to append GEDCOM file to existing. – Might covert many webtrees users to kiwitrees. It would make my life easier. Would have to rethink how I do things and will be most happy to adapt!
      Remove My Page and instead go direct to the user’s individual page on login. – Not too sure about this one. When I moved to webtrees the Home Page / My Page had both my registered users and I confused. Today, there is no more confusion. I use the My Page to force feed some info to the registered users that I wouldn’t want on the Home Page. If this happens there are some blocks that could go with it; Messages, Journal, and some others. I have no idea how I would put them to use otherwise. I guess if after log in the Home Page could reconfigure, they would still be useful. The more I think about it, the more I would retain My Page but add some administration options at the expense of registered users options. Removing My Page makes sense for a public website but not so such for a restricted researchers website.
      Remove media tab (keep album tab only) – OK with me, I only use the album tab.

      Long term
      Start replacing all “Reports” with better versions that are designed first………. – Reports need updating and if this change becomes the vehicle, I endorse it. For my users and I, any change has to include the ability to print. If the produced report format is suitable for normal printing, browser or pdf, it will pose no problem for us.

      These are just one guy’s thoughts. Thanks again

      Roy Evans

      #2260
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      Thanks Roy. Just to address two items for now:

      Redesign family page layout
      Attached is very roughly what I had in mind. Children would be in rows, of 4 or five. The top half could either scroll to show more rows, or expand. Not sure whether to retain the detailed boxes for each person, or switch to the smaller “compact” style available as an option on most charts.

      I feel that horizontal is a more natural layout, and the bottom half lends itself to perhaps better media and source displays.
      The various options to add other facts could probably be tidied up as well. Perhaps a single drop down for “Add more information”.

      Remove My Page
      Still in the early thinking stages. But I wondered about a left or right column, visible to logged in users on all pages, to hold some of those small blocks like messages, journal etc. Wider screens are much more common now, so we could start making use of that fact. They would be like the “widgets” used in WordPress sites such as this one.
      The problem with relying on users visiting their “My page” is that they often won’t, and if they do, them might remove the block you want them to see.

      I might actually regard removing My Page as a first step to removing other user-config options. Things like theme changing for example could IMHO be taken out. Just leave it for the manager / admin to set the design of the display. I’ve always believed, at least from my own site(s) that users rarely bother with block configurations, theme changing etc, so why waste the code having it there?

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

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      #2262

      jacoline
      Participant

      408 posts

      I use “my page” for many things. So I would really be sad if you removed it! I have some home made html blogs. Made some archieve lists I use when I go to the government arhieves. So removing that page will destroy my complete “to do page”. And NO I do not want it in side bars or anything. I have it all in one page and only for my view to work with!

      Most of your suggesstions – I agree – specially the reports need some “love” Perhabs ability to make a book version – where to decide to include stories – images – a bit complex yes – I know!

      P.S. I still have not upgraded to vers. 2.0 since I have personal problems with the image bar! But that is another story!

      Regards,
      Jamie Jaconelli

      admin and owner of:
      www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees, www.host-siden.dk/history, www.familien-johnsen.dk and danish support at www.host-siden.dk/sandbox

      #2263
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      P.S. I still have not upgraded to vers. 2.0 since I have personal problems with the image bar! But that is another story!

      Thats a strange statement. The image bar is included as part of standard code but that doesn’t mean you have to use it!

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

      #2279
      Roy
      Roy
      Participant

      108 posts

      Nigel:

      Thanks for the Family page JPG. Initially it might be a bit jolting switching from the vertical orientation of the other pages to the horizontal orientation of the Family page. The benefits should quickly overcome that initial impression.

      Moving some bocks to another column would work for me in lieu of a My Page. I think I may even prefer that. Simplifying the user experience, including configuration, would be very welcome by me.

      Will be back home late tomorrow and can upgrade to 2.0 the day after. Once I see how the new image bar works, I may change the way I present my default Home Page. I am hoping that it is possible to change the overall color and tone to match the overall color scheme of the default Home Page. Thanks for providing the edit that relocates the bar to the top. I don’t think that I will use it but want to compare the two effects.

      Thanks again. Great job!

      #2281
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      Jacoline said:

      I use “my page” for many things. So I would really be sad if you removed it!

      That’s good to know about. I will keep that in mind and try to ensure you don’t completely lose that facility.

      Just thinking out loud here, but perhaps we can retain the page, only just keep it as a Menu item (for those that want it). Its really the action of being sent to that page automatically on login that confuses people.
      We could probably also have an option to set your own page to land on when logging in from Home.

      My comment about Menu items here has also reminded me of another “road map: item I must add: the ability to configure (set access level) ALL menu items. The top (main) menu items will be easy. Not so sure about the sub (and sub-sub) menus though. Must look into that.

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

      #2338

      jacoline
      Participant

      408 posts

      Well it could also be a solution to have the ability to decide the blogs having aceess level. Then I could just put it all at homepage and decide which of them should be only for me and which for visitors.

      I like the idea to have the ability to have access level too for menu. Will that go for the menuline too? Ex: the menu, favorites ect.? I know you allready have the ability about favorites. But I wanted to show them without having the link in the menu and I wish to have the ability to remove the login in the top!

      Before upgrade 2.0 I have done a //COMMENT at the login and favorites so I could remove those 2 menu lines.
      And why?

      Because everytime I have my login at the top I have people who try to access. About 5-10 tries each month! So I putted it down in a html blog in the bottom instead. And that helps!

      About the favorites – I can not see the point having the link there!

      Regards,
      Jamie Jaconelli

      admin and owner of:
      www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees, www.host-siden.dk/history, www.familien-johnsen.dk and danish support at www.host-siden.dk/sandbox

      #2339

      jacoline
      Participant

      408 posts

      Btw in the long term.
      The Census Assistent has been useless for danes all the time! Need the ability to put in the danish census!

      So why not just change the core code to add/design the census and in the language users wanted (at admin/managerlevel)? Instead of having pre-defined census?

      That could give all users no matter which country to use it and you dont have to add any census in the code!

      Regards,
      Jamie Jaconelli

      admin and owner of:
      www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees, www.host-siden.dk/history, www.familien-johnsen.dk and danish support at www.host-siden.dk/sandbox

      #2340

      jacoline
      Participant

      408 posts

      Greg has changed how notes are showned in his vers. 1.5.2 – Where you can not see the notes first line – Please do not copy that!

      For color themes:
      Could the thumbs at the indi page been showned as in your dias/the F.A.B. theme (you know with round cornes ect) It is really nice view. It removes this box-view (boxes-boxes and boxes with sharp edges)

      Regards,
      Jamie Jaconelli

      admin and owner of:
      www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees, www.host-siden.dk/history, www.familien-johnsen.dk and danish support at www.host-siden.dk/sandbox

      #2341
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      Jacoline

      I like the idea to have the ability to have access level too for menu. Will that go for the menuline too? Ex: the menu, favorites ect.?

      It would make sense to, so I will try. I haven’t started on that project yet.

      So why not just change the core code to add/design the census and in the language users wanted (at admin/managerlevel)? Instead of having pre-defined census?

      The census assistant has two purposes. One is to make selecting and adding people to the census record (CENS) easier. For that yes, your solution could work. But the other, and for me most important, is to display an accurate and complete transcription of the original census page. For that it is necessary that every census (every year, not just every country) has a unique “template”, with the correct columns for information. So it is not practical to simply allow for different translations. The whole display must be created.
      But that doesn’t mean the Danish census cannot be included. I would be quite happy to try and add it for you if you can send me complete images of a census page and some translation of the terms used.

      Greg has changed how notes are showned in his vers. 1.5.2 – Where you can not see the notes first line – Please do not copy that!

      Don’t worry. I have absolutely no intention of doing that 🙂 See also this discussion: https://kiwitrees.net/forums/reply/2105/

      For color themes:
      Could the thumbs at the indi page been showned as in your dias/the F.A.B. theme (you know with round cornes ect) It is really nice view. It removes this box-view (boxes-boxes and boxes with sharp edges)

      Can you give me an image. I’m not sure which thumbnails you are referring to. There are so many!

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

      #2342

      jacoline
      Participant

      408 posts

      Thank you – that would be nice 🙂

      About the cenus for Denmark – you can see them here: http://www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees/sourcelist.php?ged=Sl%C3%A6gtsdatabase&lang=en_US (use filter: DK folketælling)

      I have added 2 in same year (for some of them). AO stands for the “Arkivalier Online” (online service) which are image files directly from the State Archieve (http://www.sa.dk/content/us/genealogy/online_services). The DDA is this one: http://ddd.dda.dk/ddd_en.htm. But for the code I do not think 2 diff. are necessary (but just an explanation)

      The dates are:
      FT-1769 August 15, (Cover mostly the area around the German Border – Other areas destroyed)
      FT-1787 July 1st,
      FT-1801 February 1st,
      FT-1834 February 18th,
      FT-1840 – 1880 February 1st,
      FT-1885 – 1885 February 1st, (only a local census for Copenhagen)
      FT-1890 – 1901 February 1st,
      FT-1911 – 1921 February 1st,
      FT-1925 – 1970 November 5th

      Let me know if you need more about this 🙂

      About the thumbs: Like the indi picture here: http://www.host-siden.dk/johnsen/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I353 (round edges – not a box with sharp corners)
      (round edges) or like your simpl_slideshow which has round edges and fixed size: http://www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees

      Regards,
      Jamie Jaconelli

      admin and owner of:
      www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees, www.host-siden.dk/history, www.familien-johnsen.dk and danish support at www.host-siden.dk/sandbox

      #2343
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      Jacoline
      For the census, I will add Danish to the template list on the “Road map”, but it will be some weeks at least before I get to this project.

      For the thumbs, try this and tell me if it does what you want. In the file /themes/colors/css/colors.css

      At around line 41 you have this section:

      img {
      border: 0 none;
      }

      Change it to this:

      img {
      border: 0 none;
      border-radius: 5px;
      }

      Note that this will change the corners on ALL images, everywhere. Not sure if that is what you want?

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

      #2345

      jacoline
      Participant

      408 posts

      Hi Nigel and ty!

      To be honest – I can not se any different at all 🙁

      And it says:
      img {border: 0 none;}
      img.block {height:25px;}

      and changing it to
      img {border: 0 none; border-radius: 5px;}

      does not change anything at any thumbs!

      I think Greg is using a border in the F.A.B. theme similar to the border at menu icons in color theme – But I can not figure out his system – it seems messy to me!

      Regards,
      Jamie Jaconelli

      admin and owner of:
      www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees, www.host-siden.dk/history, www.familien-johnsen.dk and danish support at www.host-siden.dk/sandbox

      #2346
      kiwi
      kiwi
      Keymaster

      1443 posts

      Did you clear your browser cache?

      I have looked at http://www.jaconelli.dk/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I57&ged=Sl%C3%A6gtsdatabase and I cannot see that change to the img tag css. So not sure if you have since removed it, or (perhaps?) didn’t save the file change before you uploaded the replacement file; or uploaded it to the wrong place?

      I think Greg is using a border in the F.A.B. theme similar to the border at menu icons in color theme – But I can not figure out his system – it seems messy to me!

      No, Greg’s FAB theme uses identical code to my suggestion, apart from a smaller (4px) radius.

      And the reason you find his css file “messy” is because he “minifies” it. That means remove all white-space and returns so everything is on one long line. You shouldn’t try to edit that. You need to replace it with the non-minified version from his GitHub site. Doing that he reduces the page loading speed by about 1/1000 of a second – not worth the complication in my opinion.

      There is no border on the menu icons in colors theme. The rounded corners are just the way the image has been drawn.

      Nigel

      My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

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